A plan for Patience's future....?

This beautiful 6 year old sorrel mare was rescued from the Yakima Feedlot on 12/13/05. She had a halter that was severely embedded into her jowls, poll and nose.

A plan for Patience's future....?

Postby Juliane on Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:02 am

On a daily basis, I am faced with the same battle - what do I do with Patience. She came from the most horrific situation I've ever seen a horse faced with. She was terrified of humans and in terrific pain due to her embedded halter. I've spent the last year, giving her a solid, stable life, making sure she understood that she would never be hurt again.

I have introduced her to new things, taken her to clinics and started her under saddle. She still has a ways to go to be a safe riding horse, but she's getting there. She leads well, stands great for the farrier, clips, ties, bathes and trailers.

However, each day when I am out in the barn, I almost feel this jab to my heart. It is Patience that is standing there, asking for attention. She needs and wants a job. She is like a kid who is bouncing off the walls. She needs personal one on one attention.

She is not like Ace who really doesn't care if I spend one on one time with him. He would prefer that I love him from 50 feet away! LOL

I practically have to fight Patience off of me each time I am in the paddock. Unfortunately, I just don't have time and resources to give her that job and personal one on one attention. I currently have 8 horses on my property. 5 of those are in stalls, which must be cleaned daily. My paddock is a muddy mess and I finally have the hogs fuel to 'fix' it temporarily, though no time to actually spread it.

When I am not doing basic daily chores, I am working with the horses in training. In the last 9 months, Patience has only been worked with a handful of times. Is this fair to her?

I feel like I am failing her - while she is safe (and she knows it!), she's not completely happy. She's like the neglected kid who's parents are too busy to pay any attention to her. :(

I need help in deciding what is best for her future... Any thoughts?

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Postby busted on Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:34 am

Crap I wish I could afford board at a stable by my place. I would take her for a while in a heartbeat for ya Julie and give her some one on one time. I really need to get a better payin job so I can afford to help some down this way.

Maybe you can take her for daily walks or something and have her be your company on the walk? Just something so you two can spend some time together and so she knows she does have a purpose there. Just a thought. I did that with Bud when he had a hurt foot. Just walking around the neighborhood talking to him helped him alot. Even sitting in the stall or by her as she eats talking to her and brushing her.

I really need to get my butt up there and help you some more. The horses I have down here in training take up all my time. The next free day I have I am gonna try to get up that way.
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Postby Juliane on Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:41 am

Unfortunately, my time schedule just doesn't allow for that. By the time I'd done cleaning all the stalls, feeding all of the horses, caring for my daughter, doing the work for my 'real job', I'm all out of time. :( There are things I'm neglecting due to lack of time as well. There's no way I could fit in a half hour walk each day :( Ugh... :(

I wish I could buy time!!! LOL
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Postby busted on Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:08 am

HUMF... If I could afford to sell you some of my time I would but I find myself not having enough time too.

I dont have enough time to do daily work with Ally so I moved her out near Buckley to a 15- 20 acre field to be a baby a while longer. That also saves me money on hay, there is still tons of grass out there so I only have one horse to buy feed for now. 8)

I am sure you will come up with a way to give her a job or purpose there. I wish I could lease her and put some more miles on her for you but I need to save up my money for a possible future move in with my man. :shock: :D
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Postby myhorsefaith on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:41 pm

busted wrote:I dont have enough time to do daily work with Ally so I moved her out near Buckley to a 15- 20 acre field to be a baby a while longer. That also saves me money on hay, there is still tons of grass out there so I only have one horse to buy feed for now. 8)


LOL I first read this and thought "hey wait i haven't seen Rachel in such a long time, but I didnt move to Buckley!

LOL then I realized you were talking about your filly :lol:

I've tried hay...way too expensive and not too tasty for me. :lol:
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Postby AgilityGal on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:51 pm

Always a hard decision. When in serious rescue work, the rescues always seem to be the most needy and require the most time. And, there is an unending supply of rescues waiting whose very lives depend on the rescuer finding them in time.

Personal animals get what's left over. Unfortunately, you've got 2 very beautiful and special-needs horses yourself. I think both are happy in your care. If Patience needs a job, you might bring her out into the alleyway each night when you clean all the stalls. At least she would think she was special because the other horses aren't allowed to do that.
Give her a riding lesson once a week on the weekends when there is more time.

For my physically-handicapped special needs dogs, I would load up the ones who didn't go to agility classes once a week and take them for a car ride. . .to nowhere. Just a ride to spend some quality time with me. That seemed to do it for them.

I think that at some point, you are going to have to decide just how much time and space you really do have. You still seem over-extended to me. 8 horses seem a pretty high number for your physical situation and as a single parent. I know you've already downsized once, but you may have to do it again.

You may have the talent and the desire, but you don't yet have the facilities and convenience to do it all. Doing more may have to wait until you have a partner that can help you financially and be supportive. You just can't do it all. You will burn out and you're just too valuable to have that happen!
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Postby busted on Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:00 pm

myhorsefaith wrote:
busted wrote:I dont have enough time to do daily work with Ally so I moved her out near Buckley to a 15- 20 acre field to be a baby a while longer. That also saves me money on hay, there is still tons of grass out there so I only have one horse to buy feed for now. 8)


LOL I first read this and thought "hey wait i haven't seen Rachel in such a long time, but I didnt move to Buckley!

LOL then I realized you were talking about your filly :lol:

I've tried hay...way too expensive and not too tasty for me. :lol:


:lol: ROLF!!! I didnt think about stating that I was talking about my filly Ally. Guess its a good thing I didnt call her fat! She is a tubby tank of a horse!!! haha Now that would have gotten your eyes poppin!!! :lol:

I tried hay once too just to see what my horse was eating and if it was any good. I agree not to tasty and way to expensive. Grass is better and cheeper!!!
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Postby ptownevt on Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:01 pm

Your post on Patience is very honest and courageous. I'm not sure what I think. Would it be possible for Patience to go somewhere else for a while to see if she is comfortable with other people and if she would bond with someone else? What about sending her to Chelsea for a couple of months and see how she does there? I think that we all wanted you to keep her forever because we couldn't imagine that she would ever trust or bond with someone else. If she will and you can find a wonderful forever home I don't see anything wrong with it. She would probably like to be someone's only horse if she got to live with another horse or two.

She is so incredibly beautiful that I'm sure she would be adopted in a heartbeat if she were trained. That is likely to be the sticking point. She won't have a job anywhere unless she gets trained. Maybe she should go on the waiting list to be trained. She is a rescue and if she is to have a long and happy life with anyone she needs to be trained. So I guess even if you do decide to rehome her, you may have to stop thinking of her as your horse and treat her like any of the other rescues and put her in line for your time.

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Postby Juliane on Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:14 pm

That's a good point, Pam. I am very protective of Patience and would worry about the home she would go to, so it would definitely have to be the 'right' one, if rehoming her is the answer. Part of me feels like I would fail her if I let her go.... and the other part of me feels like I am failing her now.

Patience was at Chelsea's for 2 weeks and Chelsea said she couldn't get rid of Patience. That Patience was all over her, asking for loves and attention. I have not seen Patience be fearful or worried about other people in a very long time. I think she would bond with any person that spent time with her. She's very loving and has a strong desire to attach herself to someone.

But I do agree - if rehoming her is the right thing to do, she needs to be trained. I need to start finding the time for her as well. Argh!

I do have too many horses right now.. and I need to downsize again. I believe one will be adopted very soon (Sydney). While another is in rehabilitation and once he is healed from his surgery, he will be placeable. Ideally, I would like to have 5-6 horses. I currently have Ace, Dandy, Patience and Sweetie (Cassidy's pony) as my own. I really have no need for all of these horses. Dandy is my heart and soul - there is no way that I could ever let her go again. Ace will be with me forever - I would simply be too worried about his future. He is a hands off kind of guy, so at this time, he doesn't need much from me. And I can't move Cassidy's pony...

Which leaves Ms. Patience - who needs her own person. And me, with no time to give it to her :(
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Postby Hope on Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:41 pm

Wow, its an honest post that I am sure was tugging at your heart as you typed it. You went over backwards to adopt her, and save her. I understand how you feel. My advice would be don't do anything yet. Keep giving her what you can. We are heading into spring, and daylight will be on your side soon. I just wouldn't want you to make a decision down the road you'd regret.
I think someone suggested you bring her in the barn while you feed the other horses, do that for awhile and see what happens. Your right though, sometimes we get so wrapped up in doing stuff for others we neglect our own things (happens with other stuff besides horses)
If you want to cut down on horses, I'd cut down on training horses alittle more. ONLY take one in at a time, keep them for the time and then send them home. (not sure if thats possible, or if they are in your care to get adopted out) Like Teddie for instance you are training for her for the owner and she'll be going home after that. You need be able to manage your time alittle better, and if that means Only taking in one horse every couple of months, then thats the way it'll have to be.
Go back and access what your goals were from the beginning with Patience, and start from there. I know ALOT of things have changed since then.. Hang in there Juliane!!!
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Postby LorsaDoon on Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:07 pm

I know how you feel Juliane, sometimes you are so busy taking care of horses, you do not have time to enjoy them like you would.

I think putting Patience on your training list might be a good idea. That way you can dedicate some quality time for her.

She is such a special girl and I know you will always have her best interests in mind in what ever you do with her.

How old do you think she is? Would she be a good mount for your daughter after she outgrows her pony Sweetie? She might be at the right age when you want to transition Cassidy to a larger horse. Just a thought.
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Postby tontonsmom on Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:20 pm

:?

Just brainstorming here... would ace be a candidate to maybe go to your moms' for a while? He's safe for others to be around... and he doesn't seem to "need you" as much as the others...

Then, what about finishing up with those currently in your care and then not taking any on for a while. That would leave you time to focus just on patience and get her to a point where she could be your primary riding horse.

What about leasing Dandy out? That way, you retain full control over her future while she gets a person, a job, etc.

After you've caught up on your own recues perhaps you can take in one at a time.

One last thought, I know you're a very talented trainer, but waht about sending patience out to get some finishing? Sometimes when we're very close to a situation it makes things that much harder.
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Postby Juliane on Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:23 pm

That's a good idea, Tontonsmom. I have considered sending Patience to a trainer - while I seem to be pretty good with other people's horses that come to me, I've had a difficult time at getting Patience further in her training. If I could find a good trainer (and something I could afford), I would send her in a heartbeat!

As for leasing Dandy out - no way. She's my full time riding horse. She's my pride and joy and my 'other half' in the horsey world. She's my everything and there's no way I could ever live without her. (If you'd like to learn more about our history together, please check out this link: http://www.cowgirlspirit.org/forums/vie ... ea9f763624 ) I ride Dandy weekly on an equestrian drill team. She is my competition mount, and the one I would pick if I could have my choice of any horse to ride :)

Regarding Patience being a child's horse, or perhaps Cassidy's horse - I don't think she's at that point yet. She can get pretty pushy and headstrong - in every sense. Whether it's in the halter doing ground work, lunging, in the saddle, in her stall. She will use her body to go where she wants. This is something she needs to get over before being a safe horse for anyone, let alone a kid.

I think scaling down so that I only have 1 horse in training, at least during the winter months, will be very helpful. Unfortunatley, it's so difficult to turn my back to horses (and their humans) in need. For example - the rescue I took in last week. I was already overfull, and stretched for time. Yet, I couldn't stand by and not do something to help him. *sigh*

I would love to do a free care lease with Patience - once she was trained enough. That way, I could retain ownership and keep an eye on her, while she would have a job and someone to love her. If the situation worked out and all parties were happy, I could entertain the thought of transferring ownership.

I just want to do what is right for Patience - and I just don't think I'm doing that currently.
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Postby LorsaDoon on Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:51 pm

I meant that she might be a good horse for Cassidy at some point in the future. When they both have developed some more and had more training.
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Postby Altanera on Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:23 pm

Juliane wrote:That's a good idea, Tontonsmom. I have considered sending Patience to a trainer - while I seem to be pretty good with other people's horses that come to me, I've had a difficult time at getting Patience further in her training. If I could find a good trainer (and something I could afford), I would send her in a heartbeat!



WOW! That just the same place Nala and I are in. These mares sound so much alike. Although Nala is still somewhat standoffish with strangers she is much better than she use to be. I go back and forth between sending Nala to a trainer or me finally finishing her off. I did ride her for four months straight!! I should have never given her last winter off and I just have not had the time to deticate to bring her along. Right now I must put my sale horse ahead of everyone else. Noah is like your Dandy, no way could I lease him out. He is my heart and soul. Ashes coming next week will totally change up the senerio. I would like to get him broke when he is old enough and rehome him.

Sometimes I feel like an outside person with not so many emotions toward the horse makes it easier for them to train the horse.
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