Patience & Jessica: Training Ride #3

This beautiful 6 year old sorrel mare was rescued from the Yakima Feedlot on 12/13/05. She had a halter that was severely embedded into her jowls, poll and nose.

Patience & Jessica: Training Ride #3

Postby Juliane on Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:44 pm

red_one wrote:I'm too old for the bucking too but I've always done combative sports so a bruise from hitting the dirt is no different than a bruise from hitting the mat. My concession to age is the helmet since now I have kids that I want to go home to and who watch me as an example. When I first asked her to move out in the round pen yesterday, Juliane and I were both watching her and cringing thinking it was going to be a very interesting ride :shock: Fortunately it was much calmer than her early attitude indicated.

I have to agree that a good bit of her behavior is just a very loud "I don"t feel like it." I got daring and gave her a little more rein to potentially toss me with yesterday. She still tried to buck a couple times. I pushed her through the first one fairly easily and BOY was she NOT happy with that idea. :lol: The second one I ran into a little trouble because of the one piece reins, as I tried to pull her in tight to keep control I ran out of room when it caught on the saddle horn :roll: I had to release pressure to get it off the horn and she was able to get ahead of me a little bit. We ran into this problem again later and I'm very happy we decided to try working outside the roundpen in the pasture and not on the road. She decided she was done and made a b-line for the barn...unfortunately when I had to release pressure to get the reins off the horn again she was able to take off...fortunately there was a fence. Juliane said that she sat back and did a beautiful sliding stop :lol:

Going back to her attitude, I noticed with the looser rein that when I would ask lightly she's give a little bit and then almost immediately turn away from what I'd asked her to do. I'm not sure if it's just something she's going to test until she realizes that a gentle tug mean the same thing as pulling her head around or if it's a permanent attitude of "If you can't make me do it, I'm going to do what I want to." I can absolutely see her having ended up at the feedlot because she butted heads with the wrong person. I've got nothing nice to say about whoever abused her to that point and then dumped her, but I can see the wrong person getting that frustrated with her.

She started to settle down towards the end of our ride yesterday and even had flashes of being a fairly calm horse :D As soon as Juliane converts the video one of us will post an update. I'm looking forward to seeing how she progresses. I just wish I was able to work with her more than once a week.


Hey Jessica, I pasted your response from the other thread here to outline your training ride with Patience on Sunday. I was really pleased with how you handled Patience - she was quite testy, but not as serious about dumping you. She just seemed like she wanted you to be clear about how she felt about the situation! LOL

Anyways, I really liked the way you were able to go one with the ride without harboring any fear, resentment or anger after she acted up with you. Thanks so much for working with her!

Here is a short video clip as well as some still pics from Sunday's ride:

http://www.serenitytraining.com/blogima ... -25-07.wmv

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Postby Hope on Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:12 am

Wow, great pictures!! She looks alot better in these pictures then the last ones. She has that look abotu her, like OK, what do you want lady. She is ONE beautiful horse!
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Postby ponygril68 on Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:32 am

I think she is just baulky. Keep working her and i think you will be surprised how quickly she will come around. Juliana it looks like split reins would be a good idea so she doesn't run into the horn issue again. Jessica you are doing great and way to keep your seat!
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Postby maefly on Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:26 am

Patience kinda reminds me of my morgan mare Keila. Keila is extremely well trained, but she has an attitude just like Patience. Keila knows what you are asking, but if it's not asked for perfectly every time than she won't do it. For someone she's not used to she's a little bit**! She will test you to within an inch of your sanity. But if you're one of the few who can stick her out and MAKE her do what you're asking she'll do anything you say. Once you make it through her tests she'll be super easy. I actually think my Keila is a great lesson horse for just that reason. She's not a bucker though (I think she's too lazy to buck actually). If she doesn't want to work she'll just plant some roots and you won't be able to make her move. But for me, my little sister and my mom she'll do what we think before we even have to ask it; she knows she'll have to do it anyway so it's just easier to get it over with right away. I bet once you stick it out and Patience realizes that you won't just go away she'll get down to work and will be a great horse.

On a side note how many sworls does Patience have on her face? I've got a great book that tells you a little about a horses personality by the sworls and other features of the horse's face. Keila has 3 sworls in a triangle on her face. According to my book she's supposed to be challenging but predictable, and Keila sure is! There are always exceptions of course, but I think the book is an interesting one and might offer you some insight on Patience's personality. I don't remember the name off the top of my head, but if you're interested I'll dig it up.
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Postby cat_67 on Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:28 pm

Yeah, I watched the video and I agree she is just balky...she is being a stubborn cow and you're not going to traumatize her a bit getting after her. Jessica, you're doing a good job getting after her when she is being rotten. I was surprised you stayed on that one time though! Was your girth tight enough? Didn't look like it. Snug up that girth, we don't want to see you in the mud!

She does look to me like she's never been properly taught to wear a bit or respond to one. Maybe try a sidepull on her? I like sidepulls on buckers, they actually give you a ton of leverage to pull a head up.

Like I say, I give you credit. I'm sure she'd intimidate me. That is a very muscular, strong horse - I am sure it's like stopping a freight train when she decides she wants to do X and you want to do Y.
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Postby ptownevt on Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:48 pm

She does have a more pleasant look on her face this time. The last pictures showed one po'd pony. She's something, alright. Good going, staying with her and getting back on. I don't think I have the guts anymore. I've lost a lot of my nerve as I've gotten older. When I was 14, I'd get on anything with 4 legs. Not anymore.
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Postby red_one on Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:01 pm

I agree that as far as she's concerned this is all testing to see if she can catch me napping. Fortunately either I'm stronger than I look or she's not really aware of how strong she is because it's not that hard to get her head back when she decides to do something else. I will be switching to either split reins or a longer one piece :D I'm tired or running into that saddle horn.

I believe what happened where I ended up off to the side was a combination of things. I had tripple checked the girth so I don't think that was the main problem. I caught the reins on the saddle horn there and since partially I'm balanced and driving myself down in the saddle and partially I'm pulling so hard on the reins that it anchors me in the saddle...when I had to release the reins to get them off the horn I lost part of my anchor. The saddle I'm using is Juliane's treeless so it does tend to slip around a bit more.

I think she likes the new bit a little better since we didn't see as much of her gaping her mouth open and was generally a little better behaved. Once we get our roles in this game hammered out I think she'll get better quickly. I don't think she'll ever be less than an intermediate level horse since her favored method of testing is bucking. I also think that wherever she ends up, she'll pretty much be a one person horse. Anyone who rides her will have to earn her respect and that won't make her popular with her owner's friends :lol: Though I think once someone earns her respect she'll be good as gold for that person.
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Postby shireluver on Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:30 pm

After watching the video, I have an idea to try. I had a horse in training that was a lot like her.

Instead of pulling back on the reins, try pulling her head to your knee when she tries to pull down. By constatnly having to pull on her mouth, you take the chance of her developing a hard mouth and a pulling against your hands issue. Does that make sense?
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Postby rdafler on Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:14 pm

Jessica, you are doing a great job. I would deffinately try a sidepull with her. You don't want her getting a tough mouth do to having to pull on her head all the time. You can use the bit with the sidepull also that way she can get used to the bit but most of the leverage will be put on the sidepull not the bit. Just a suggestion, I have always like sidepulls when it comes to green or stubborn horses.
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Postby AgilityGal on Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:15 pm

I wonder if riding with another horse would help her keep moving forward for longer periods of time and keep her more focused on what's she is doing rather than on getting back to the barn and getting the rider off her back.
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Postby red_one on Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:36 pm

It does make sense and it's something I've been thinking about. I'm really trying to stay off her mouth as much as I can when she's behaving. I release pressure just as quickly as I can. Unfortunately she's doing things like jumping forward into a trot instead of just transitioning from a walk to a trot I end up pulling her back because I want it to be a controlled transition and pulling her head to my knee won't get that result. Also when she starts to buck or attempt to throw me I can stay with her while she's going forward but I start having trouble sticking if she turns. Right now it's more important for her that I don't hit the dirt so she learns she can't throw me. We're using a thick snaffle in an effort to prevent hurting her mough and hopefully keep her from getting a hard mouth.

She settles down a little more during each ride so hopefully I'll be able to give her more and more slack when we ride. If she doesn't settle down more soon, then we'll probably look into a sidepull or something to relieve the pressure on the bit.
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Postby RockinCircleC on Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:02 pm

At the risk of repeating myself... More lateral flexion. LOTS of tight serpentines and keep them going forward. They might even seem like one-rein stops they are so small. Like going around rocks or bushes or sagebrush. SUPER small and always FORWARD.

It looks like I am going to try and get a ride in this Saturday. I am looking at either Cedar River Pipeline/rail trail or Lake Youngs. Anyone want to meet me? Thinking around 1ish or so for a couple of hours. I am helping a gal trailer load a horse that morning in Black Diamond so I will already be half way north.
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Postby Altanera on Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:27 pm

I agree with what everyone says! Espically the serpintines and lots of turns. Seem like she pulls stuff when she gets bored. Just keep changing it up. She will get it. Look better a ready and I think you are doing one hell of a job with her! :D Don't you love it when you get that nice trot and then they just stop outta no where. Thats how I would almost fall of of nala o and the fact that if I kicked her to hard and she was really not i the mood to go forward she rears. I would much rather deal with bucking than rearing! :?
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Postby busted on Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:37 am

RockinCircleC wrote:It looks like I am going to try and get a ride in this Saturday. I am looking at either Cedar River Pipeline/rail trail or Lake Youngs. Anyone want to meet me? Thinking around 1ish or so for a couple of hours. I am helping a gal trailer load a horse that morning in Black Diamond so I will already be half way north.


Sounds like fun. Sadly this weekend is a no horse weekend for me. I will be heading to Paulsbo area to pick up a transmission for my truck Friday(finally) so we can hopefully get it up and driveable this weekend!!! It has been out of comission for a year now. When it is ready I will be able to hit some trails!!!
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Postby rdafler on Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:27 pm

My husband, Mark, has fallen in love with Patience. While we were over at Juliane's last night he spent most of his time standing with Patience. I think he wanted to be the gate man just so he could hang with Patience. He has not stopped talking about her since. If it wasn't for our recent move and all the work that he needs to do to our home he said he would take her in a heart beat. Didn't think he would feel this way about another horse after loosing his mare 2 years ago. Anyhow I just wanted to share this with all of you. Wish I had snapped a pic or 2 of him getting love from Patience.
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